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Hate crimes no more
Pennsylvania court throws out amendment covering gays, disabled
Intelligencer Journal
Published: Nov 16, 2007
02:29 EST
Philedelphia
By LORI VAN INGEN, Staff

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QUOTE(cyberscribbler @ Nov 16 2007, 03:22 PM)

The precidence has already been set. Country A goes to war against country B because they hold different religious/governmental/commerce beliefs.

It's when the ideas are acted on, tangible vs intangible, going back to your comparison.

Someone could hate their neighbor all day long because they mows their grass from side to side and not front to back, like he does. When his hatred causes the other harm is where it enters the physical realm.

I think comparing actions of countries to actions of individuals is an apple to oranges comparison worthy of a different discussion.
I am in complete agreement with your other point. In fact, it is identical to my original argument: hatred only becomes an issue when it crosses into the physical realm.
Hate laws apply additional penalites to the feeling that motivates a crime; my concern is that one day the converse would be law too.
WinstonTheLastHuman
QUOTE(oh geez @ Nov 16 2007, 02:14 PM)

wouldn't it be considered hate if someone beat the "poop" out of me even if I weren't gay? Just the beating itself probably means they didn't like me.


Yes it would be a hate crime, but you would receive less justice, because you weren't a minority listed in hate crimes laws.
QUOTE(Alyosha @ Nov 16 2007, 02:20 PM)

Wait, don't forget words! Words are bad too!
Words and thoughts kill people and hurt feelings!

I


Words and thoughts cannot physically kill people unless they are acted upon.
Goldilocks
"When members of Repent America — including Jerry Fennell Jr. of Denver and Mark Diener of Manheim Township and formerly of Ephrata — picketed and publicly preached that homosexuality was a sin at the Outfest street festival in Philadelphia in October 2004, they were arrested and charged with a felony under the amended hate-crimes law."

I'm glad this is no longer some kind of hate crime. When some mysticholic starts preachin' biblical "quotes" as if they were fact, the gays should have been fightin' back with "I am what I am" Popeye quotes from the 30s. Both are just a "valid." Heck, the Popeye quote makes more sense to me.
GeezUS
QUOTE(GeezUS @ Nov 16 2007, 07:57 PM)
"When members of Repent America — including Jerry Fennell Jr. of Denver and Mark Diener of Manheim Township and formerly of Ephrata — picketed and publicly preached that homosexuality was a sin at the Outfest street festival in Philadelphia in October 2004, they were arrested and charged with a felony under the amended hate-crimes law."

I'm glad this is no longer some kind of hate crime. When some mysticholic starts preachin' biblical "quotes" as if they were fact, the gays should have been fightin' back with "I am what I am" Popeye quotes from the 30s. Both are just a "valid." Heck, the Popeye quote makes more sense to me.

Popeye was gay.....I never picked up on that. I guess it makes sense, you know, the sailor suits, Olive Oil certainly makes more sense as a beard and that obvious tension with Brutus...you might be on to something.

WinstonTheLastHuman
QUOTE(GeezUS @ Nov 16 2007, 06:57 PM)
I'm glad this is no longer some kind of hate crime.
Remember, this law was declared unconstitutional ONLY because some over-achieving State legislators refused to play by their own rules. All the State Legislature needs to do is re-introduce a completely new law with the same wording, and it will not be overturned for the same reason.

In this case, the court made NO decision about hate crimes. The only decision made by this court is that some legislators don't know how to obey State law.
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