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Turns himself in after allegedly shooting girlfriend, her family in city
Intelligencer Journal
Published: Jun 04, 2007
00:09 EST
By BRETT HAMBRIGHT and LINDA ESPENSHADE, Staff

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Anecdotes again.

Let's see the big picture, shall we?

Although this isn't directly related to this crime, it applies to teens of different races:
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"In 2003, the homicide rate for black male teens was 58.9 per 100,000, 16 times higher than the rate for non-Hispanic white males (3.6 per 100,000). Rates for other groups were 25.1 per 100,000 for Hispanic males, 15.3 per 100,000 for American Indian males, and 7.0 per 100,000 for Asian and Pacific Islander males."


You call this crime domestic violence, but it's more like attempted murder (or murder if one of the victims dies). Two things are apparent:

1. Culture DOES make a difference.
2. Including Hispanics with Whites in statistics tends to skew them heavily.

However, if we're talking purely of REPORTED domestic violence (which can include anything from denying access to a bank account to verbal insults), then domestic violence appears to occur at a similar rate for all races save for Native Americans, whose rate is a bit higher.

What happened on Hand Ave. is much more severe than a shouting match or a slap in the face.
Subsonix
I genuinely do not understand your point in quoting unrelated statistics and throwing out more of the culture/race cards. I cited a report which clearly focuses upon fatalities between family and non-family (which includes boyfriends and girlfriends) members. It's called intimate partner violence and it does NOT preclude attempted murder. The police have stated that this situation was a domestic issue between a boyfriend and a girlfriend.
The statistics you cited (without a source) would include situations, for example, where rival gang members or drug dealers get into a dispute and shoot each other. That is a whole different scenario. Further, you're citing statistics about teens, which neither the boyfriend (IIRC, he's 39) nor the victim (IIRC, she's 35) were. Quite frankly, you are stretching in your attempts to make this a race/culture issue.

BeingReal
I think the point that is trying to be made is that most of time- and especially so when speaking per capita- violent crimes tend to be committed by a certain segment of society and it ain't the honkies. I think the disconnect is that you are trying to prove family violence and the others are talking violence in general. I tend to agree that family violence can any which way, but general violence tends to be committed to by minorities. This is fairly obvious when you look at the number of minorities in prison and even worse per capita. Clearly there is a problem- be it culture, income, drugs or all of these and much more- in this demographic.
QUOTE(BeingReal @ Jun 4 2007, 05:51 PM)
I genuinely do not understand your point in quoting unrelated statistics and throwing out more of the culture/race cards. I cited a report which clearly focuses upon fatalities between family and non-family (which includes boyfriends and girlfriends) members. It's called intimate partner violence and it does NOT preclude attempted murder. The police have stated that this situation was a domestic issue between a boyfriend and a girlfriend.
The statistics you cited (without a source) would include situations, for example, where rival gang members or drug dealers get into a dispute and shoot each other. That is a whole different scenario. Further, you're citing statistics about teens, which neither the boyfriend (IIRC, he's 39) nor the victim (IIRC, she's 35) were. Quite frankly, you are stretching in your attempts to make this a race/culture issue.



PedroHead
I said....this... which was ignored. I think sometimes people would rather argue and split hairs than discuss issues in a meaningful way:
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In spite of color or race, I do believe that the increase in crime is a culture problem or rather a sub-culture problem. Drugs, lack of education, early sexual partnering, self-worth and self esteem issues, limited work ethic, entitlement issues...these all need to be adressed. Some people in this generation still had grandparents helping to raise children. Now people need to realize that when they partner with someone...they may bring children into the world. People who already have children need to make decisions about relationships that put the children first. There is no one easy place to park the blame.


Researchers have looked at what individual (e.g., impaired cognitive functioning, poor academic achievement), family (e.g., inadequate family coping and problem-solving skills) and environmental (e.g., deviant peers, poverty) factors or characteristics (risk factors) have been associated with an elevated chance of exhibiting violent behaviour in an effort to identify those children and youth most at-risk of being victimized or victimizing others (Tolan & Guerra, 1998; Williams, Guerra, & Elliott, 997). A complimentary approach has been to identify individual and social factors associated with a reduced risk for victimization or perpetration of violence (protective factors).

[This information comes from University research done in Canada but cites references from around the world and UN research. The world is getting smaller. At least the UN can pull together some resourceful ideas that countries have in common to face in the modern day]
wonderwoman
QUOTE(oftheimmoralminority2 @ Jun 4 2007, 01:40 PM)

So you don't think a ban on hand guns would be likely to work?


what not push for a general "ban on crime" it would be just as effective and if the theory of "less guns-less crime" is true, it would be like one stop shopping for all laws related to crime.
P. Floyd
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