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Bill would hit owners with $10 gun fee
Intelligencer Journal
Published: Apr 06, 2007
02:08 EST
By P.J. Reilly, Staff

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Nice distraction, joe. Now, reread the part of my post you quoted, and respond to that. Compare the two.

Keep in mind exceptions prove the rule, not disprove it.

Whirlwind
QUOTE(Whirlwind @ Apr 9 2007, 05:09 AM)
Nice distraction, joe. Now, reread the part of my post you quoted, and respond to that. Compare the two.

Keep in mind exceptions prove the rule, not disprove it.



no distraction just asking for clarification.

how would roberts and ludwig be classified?

are the legitimate gun owners or criminals?

how many legitimate gun owners use their guns to kill someone?

are they then written off as gun criminals or are they statistically legitemate gun owners gone bad??
justplainjoe
QUOTE(citydweller @ Apr 8 2007, 06:02 PM)
Reducing lawfully-owned guns obviously won't reduce criminally-owned ones, but it could certainly embolden armed criminals who feel secure that their prey won't be able to fire back or defend themselves and families. Increases in violent and armed crimes will lead the sheep to cry for more police, ever more, and more cameras, more checkpoints, searches, personal intrusions.... all backed by more laws lending the false air of legal righteousness to the destruction of our basic freedoms.
Very true.

Most people don't realize that the police are under no legal obligation to protect you and your family. Legally, unless the police are grossly negligent, or intentionally malicious in their response (or lack of) to your call for assistance, they cannot be held responsible (nor should they) for your safety.

Most police first responder tactics to armed invaders inside your home DO NOT include entering your home unless the sound of gunfire is heard, and even when gunfire is occuring, one or two officers cannot enter your home (for officer safety reasons) until three, four or five officers (depending upon individual police department policy) are on scene and make a plan that maximizes their safety prior to them entering your home to save you and your family's lives.

The cold fact is YOU are responsible for dealing with unwanted armed guests within your own home, and NOT the police. Besides being unconstitutional, disarming citizens is illogical, unethical, and not in the best interests of public safety. Ask a cop.

ReaganRepublican
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Apr 9 2007, 06:40 AM)


no distraction just asking for clarification.

how would roberts and ludwig be classified?

are the legitimate gun owners or criminals?

how many legitimate gun owners use their guns to kill someone?

are they then written off as gun criminals or are they statistically legitemate gun owners gone bad??

I would imagine that Roberts was a legitimate, legal gun owner. Ludwig may have been to young for even long guns, most certainly a handgun to which the age for legal ownership and unsupervised possession is 21.
Now, to the point of criminality, neither were indeed criminal until the prosecution of the criminal act. Sad truth is, a legit gun owner may make a bad, unlawful, immoral choice and commit a criminal act with a legally owned firearm. This is a risk we run in a free society.
Not unlike someone who has too much to drink at the local bar. They do not perpetrate a criminal act until they begin driving their vehicle.
There are a multitude of statistics and reports available on this website, which I quickly found but do not have much time now to browse. Check it out, and see what you think.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/exp...r_homicide.html

UncommonSense
For those interested in a philosophical look at the Second Amendment and it's genesis, might I recomend The Second Amendment Primer, by Les Adams. Published by Paladium Press.
It gives a remarkable accounting of where the doctrine of self-protection originates from, and how it enetered our national concience.

UncommonSense
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