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Suspect confesses to 'intentional' murder'
Intelligencer Journal
Published: Nov 22, 2005
16:53 EST
By Justin Quinn, Intelligencer Journal Staff

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I am having a hard time not being judgmental when someone says that Kara would not be morally responsible for walking past her dying parents IF she was scared and confused since she was only 14, if indeed she did walk past them and see them shot. If someone cannot be held morally responsible for something like that when she supposedly had a loving, supportive, close-knit family, then what is this world coming to? Yep, that one is stuck in my craw....!


Agreed. It sounds more and more like she and her distant cousin Lizzie have a lot in common. Out of the range of possibilities it's seeming more and more extremely unflattering; so far off the chart that her best 'out' will be a plea of 'Temporary Insanity'.

Scalewoodman
QUOTE(JustYourAverageMom @ Nov 23 2005, 08:40 AM)


We have homeschooled for many years, are probably what you would consider lower middle class, and my kids would find it absolutely hilarious that someone thinks they are "overindulged"! Our children are not perfect, but we do our best to teach them to focus on loving and serving others, having a close relationship with God, and doing what is right. The vast majority of families I know who homeschool -- and I know a bunch! -- have chosen to do so at great financial "sacrifice". (I put that word in quotes because it is only by American standards that we are poor. Most of the world would think we have it made.)


This is not a homeschooled or public school issue. This is an 18 year old kid that most likely has some mental issues, who expoited a 14 year old. The majority of kids homeschooled or otherwise are not going around shooting parents. Contrary to what the alarmists would like you to believe. The fact is that juvenile violence is at a all time low since 1993. Come out from under your beds, the chances of you getting gunned down by your childs boyfriend are pretty slim!
ihavehorns
QUOTE(ihavehorns @ Nov 23 2005, 08:47 AM)
This is not a homeschooled or public school issue. This is an 18 year old kid that most likely has some mental issues, who expoited(sic) a 14 year old...
...or visa versa or they may have mutually exploited each other.
Sally
QUOTE(Almost Swiss @ Nov 23 2005, 09:39 AM)


Children in school and out get this idea of entitlement, from their parents and their peers. It is harder to keep that idea from a child who is in school (with lots of other "entitled" children) than to keep it from a child at home if you don't believe or do it. But in this day and age, it is really hard to get away from.

Nichole - thanks for your post about the 18 yo sports star who molested a 13 yo. It helps keep things in perspective. I'm not sure I agree with sheltering so much as accompanied experiences with a family vision.....see articles by the Pearls.

Personally I believe that the students usually become like their teachers and peers. So if they are in a school where prejudice is able to dominate, the students become like that. If they are in a home where racism prevails, that is what you will get. If the parents are really following what Jesus taught, to love your enemy (eg the attourney who berates home education, or the local murderer or robber) and walk humbly before their God, then the children primarily taught by these people, (eg at home) will probably end up with that same quality of character by the grace of God.

My older two learned many prejudiced ideas at school (like prejudice against Portugese here in Switzerland), while my younger two (at home) do not even think about the nationality of their friends. It is my 11 yo at home who is concerned about the elections, not his 15yo brother in school. Exposure and appreciation are also cultivated by the parents but can be squashed by peers in school where the big concern is the latest fad of cellphones, etc. Yet at home it is true, that the potential to have a whiny child is there if we don't have the strength to say "no".


Well put! One of my friends put it pretty concisely, "Children become what they see." In other words, worry about the examples YOU set as parents and pay attention to the other significant influences in their lives, such as peers, mentors, role models. But most the important of that group is obviously YOU. If you teach "Do as I say, not as I do" don't be surprised if they do as you do.

However, I want to make it very very clear here that I do not judge either the Bordens or the Ludwigs on their performance as parents. I know nothing of them personally and I would find it hard to base my personal assessment of them upon news reports that could be slanted one way or another to stir up controversy. I've seen situations where individuals have skillfully hidden secrets such as affairs and alcoholism from their spouses; to me, it's not inconceivable that they could have been taken in by their children similarly.

BeingReal
QUOTE(BeingReal @ Nov 23 2005, 10:30 AM)


Well put! One of my friends put it pretty concisely, "Children become what they see." In other words, worry about the examples YOU set as parents and pay attention to the other significant influences in their lives, such as peers, mentors, role models. But most the important of that group is obviously YOU. If you teach "Do as I say, not as I do" don't be surprised if they do as you do.

However, I want to make it very very clear here that I do not judge either the Bordens or the Ludwigs on their performance as parents. I know nothing of them personally and I would find it hard to base my personal assessment of them upon news reports that could be slanted one way or another to stir up controversy. I've seen situations where individuals have skillfully hidden secrets such as affairs and alcoholism from their spouses; to me, it's not inconceivable that they could have been taken in by their children similarly.



Investigators learned that Kara spent the night before the killings at Ludwig's house, but told her parents she had been at a sleepover with friends.
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